Julian Palmer shared a link.
Dear Leo,
As someone who has had exposure to DMT and 5-MeO-DMT for many years, I want to respectfully point out you are wrong about 5-MeO-DMT being a magic pill to enlightenment.
That state that 5-MeO puts you into, is a temporary state. That state is the state which yogis and meditators try to reach through meditation alone, and even for them, it is a temporary state. YET, the meditators are more likely to be able to maintain more awakened states for longer periods of time, which is what they are doing through the beingness within meditation.
As far as “Enlightenment” goes, who cares? The word “shibboleth” comes to mind, it is really an outmoded concept which has lost its meaning and worth. I do believe in more expanded or activated states, but see that most people are not grounded or responsible to ground and integrate these into their everyday life. They have too much “stuff” on their plate which is inhibitive, and too much to learn about operating their monkey suit, that “enlightenment” is besides the point.
I do think 5-MeO is a useful experience and I do think it can help people, but this blast is not sustainable, as you say in the video, it is not something people keep reaching back for. I have come to feel that low dose 5-MeO from plant sources is the way forward in terms of 5-MeO-DMT, just as Changa is more integrateble than the NN, DMT blast. In this way, more intricate and intregratable conscious healing work can occur.
Also, it comes back to personal cosmology perhaps, the way I see human reality is, we are in possession of the tool which is ourselves, which is being missed or unused, and so are not working (because we not using IT). I think 5-MeO-DMT can help people to wake up (or like I say activate), but at the end of the day, activation is probably more of a species wide event, rather than just the attainment of individuals. This is what was communicated to the first time I smoked 15mg of synthetic 5-MeO-DMT.
Julian.
As someone who has had exposure to DMT and 5-MeO-DMT for many years, I want to respectfully point out you are wrong about 5-MeO-DMT being a magic pill to enlightenment.
That state that 5-MeO puts you into, is a temporary state. That state is the state which yogis and meditators try to reach through meditation alone, and even for them, it is a temporary state. YET, the meditators are more likely to be able to maintain more awakened states for longer periods of time, which is what they are doing through the beingness within meditation.
As far as “Enlightenment” goes, who cares? The word “shibboleth” comes to mind, it is really an outmoded concept which has lost its meaning and worth. I do believe in more expanded or activated states, but see that most people are not grounded or responsible to ground and integrate these into their everyday life. They have too much “stuff” on their plate which is inhibitive, and too much to learn about operating their monkey suit, that “enlightenment” is besides the point.
I do think 5-MeO is a useful experience and I do think it can help people, but this blast is not sustainable, as you say in the video, it is not something people keep reaching back for. I have come to feel that low dose 5-MeO from plant sources is the way forward in terms of 5-MeO-DMT, just as Changa is more integrateble than the NN, DMT blast. In this way, more intricate and intregratable conscious healing work can occur.
Also, it comes back to personal cosmology perhaps, the way I see human reality is, we are in possession of the tool which is ourselves, which is being missed or unused, and so are not working (because we not using IT). I think 5-MeO-DMT can help people to wake up (or like I say activate), but at the end of the day, activation is probably more of a species wide event, rather than just the attainment of individuals. This is what was communicated to the first time I smoked 15mg of synthetic 5-MeO-DMT.
Julian.
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Christian Aichert I
agree with Julian Palmer and what he says about enlightenment and
the intake of some shamanic medicine. The true sense of the word guru
means "one who brings light into the darkness.
The trip with 5MeO- is the visit to a state of consciousness th...See More
The trip with 5MeO- is the visit to a state of consciousness th...See More
Shanti Deva Very interesting thread!
Anjo Jurema All
which you learn, you have to be able to ground in this realm. Without
meditation you would not manage to ground your experiences, they will
forever be a taste of heaven and would vanish. Meditation and body work,
tend to be a good ground...
Rafael Lancelotta Well
said as always, Julian. I appreciate particularly your mention of
changa and low dose DMT/5-MeO-DMT experiences for easier integration.
Doing the legwork after an experience is as important if not moreso than
the experience itself. Meditation and/or unitive spiritual practice are
essential to carrying out what has been learned into the community at
large.
Richard King Julian
is right in the sense that the egoic/localised/separate 'me'/''you'
does not attain Unity Consciousness but in the state of Unity there is
an awareness of the small self as one would expect (otherwise it would
not be Unity of course!.) Regretful...See More
Kenneth Vuisting It may take years to truly integrate profound breakthroughs
Haven't met a lot people who are really into doing the groundwork
Haven't met a lot people who are really into doing the groundwork
Elena Nezhinsky Thank
you for posting this. My experience comes from years of vipassana
meditation and revelation in one of the long retreats some years ago
after which the seeking for enlightenment completely seized.
I see misconceptions about the peak states, what ...See More
I see misconceptions about the peak states, what ...See More
Neroli Makim Just FUCK YES Elena!!! and fuck yes to the other commentators on this thread too - a whole lot of yes 
:) 
<3 <3 <3
:) <3 <3 <3
Alexis Walters Totally
agree. I enjoyed Leo's video and honestly look forward to seeing his
documentation of how regular dives into the abyss using 5MeO will effect
the expansion of his consciousness, mostly out of shear curiosity. But
that is not a path I intend to ...See More
John Fenton Awesome thread guys, so incredibly helpful and insightful. Love your point Elena
about how most people reduce this incredible experience/opportunity to
change 'how we think' (about life) rather than 'what we think'.
I shall definitely be consciously taking that awareness into the next retreat and suggesting to others that they to do the same....See More
I shall definitely be consciously taking that awareness into the next retreat and suggesting to others that they to do the same....See More
Penelope Whitworth Julian, where you say, "low dose 5-MeO from plant sources is the way forward in terms of 5-MeO-DMT," can you be more specific?
Jai Watson Before toad, carry water chop wood. After toad, carry water chop wood 
😄
😄
Jai Watson Also I agree that it's not a magic pill and like Alexis Walters
having years of significant meditation experience with deep experiences
of temporary non dual and samadhic states still did not prepare me for
the complete defrag of my entire known realit...See More
Justin Khronos Foget about enlightenment, gold stars and black belts. 
;)
;)
Tanja Phoenix For
some it is temporary, for others not....for myself, it has opened
something very deep and lasting...enlightenment is a start with no
end....and how that goes for each of us depends on the level of
consciousness we start out on when first experienci...See More
River Jameson All
of this depends on the person, their commitment and intention, and the
life and consciousness of them before and after. There is no
generalization about 5-MeO-DMT. Because who I already was, what I choose
daily and the integrative practices I have ...See More
Juan Hops Alzate Substances
do have a very important room to help us navigate life in this "monkey
suit"; I do believe , however, that some substances can have a more
lasting effect in life when they're done in a more sacred ceremonial
way... Like a sacrament more than...See More
Ritamba Allen Beautiful
to see so many intelligent insights here, re the search for
'enlightenment', the search for spiritual experience, or peak
experience, the ego-food side-effects. By its fruits we shall know this
medicine… interesting times! <3
<3
Danny Carter As I wrote on Julian Palmer thread, I'm glad to be the rubics cube head climbing the mountain.
Mats Öhrnell What
I come to think of is that we (Self, observing consciousness etc) are
all caught in this form, in this evolutionary process. One
characteristic of this process is "transcend and include" (from ken
wilber i think). This seems to be a never ending ...See More
Grapes O Thoth The
problem, Julian, is ignorance concerning the nature of consciousness.
There exist psychic parasites that feed off numinous states , and are
capable of enzymatically converting them to their toxic enantiomorphs,
generating higher and subtler levels of duality in opposition to cosmic
order.
Grapes O Thoth I've
been in the infinite perspective vortex and I saw Zaphod Belbebox . I
asked him what he was doing here and he just shrugged and said - I dunno
- it's your trip.
Grapes O Thoth Why does no one ask what the toad gets out of this transaction? See:
Penelope Whitworth Yeah, but he's talking about synthetic, not toad.
Grapes O Thoth Yes
- I've written a paper about the synthetic/organic dichotomy....some
surprising things turn up especially in relation to how so-called
'synthetic' drugs are actually 'grown' by organisms that have had their
phenotypes engineered...things are not as clear cut as we would like
them to be....
Penelope Whitworth Can you explain more, Grapes O Thoth?
Grapes O Thoth I'm
preparing a blog but for the time being if you go to my timeline,
there are posts I made a few days ago - quotes from the paper:
'McKenna's Machine Elves'. In this paper I show that it's possible to
hijack the metabolic machinery of cells in ...See More
Grapes O Thoth I've been told to shut up
Penelope Whitworth Who's telling you to shut up? OK, so I didn't understand at least half of your post above, Grapes,
but the quote from the Machine Elves was really intriguing. If you're
OK with not shutting up and can explain the second half of your post
above in simpler terms, I would be very interested.
Grapes O Thoth Ok
Not sure what isn't clear, but essentially what I'm saying is that if
we postulate that chemical reactions are not just collisions with atoms
and their outer electron structure, but also interactions between their
etheric bodies (yes, even molecule...See More
Penelope Whitworth Grapes O Thoth , what is EC2C like?
Grapes O Thoth It
will rip away all your illusions leaving you standing in your own naked
truth with irreducible clarity...that your light body location is
inside a soaring fractal cathedral saturated with bliss-filled
intelligences sweeping you with love-fans...you will see your present
condition as a counterfeit life...your real one awaits you...
Penelope Whitworth How is it different than 5-MeO-DMT?
Grapes O Thoth For
homework, I'd like you to examine the lives , eras and deaths of
three 'magic bullet for enlightenment' gurus : Timothy Leary, Terrence
McKenna and Bill Hicks. Then look at the decline and fall of the Mayans.
For extra credit, write a 500 word essay on this quote : 'And Faustus,
knowing everything, could now be tempted with non -dual states'.
(Mephistopheles)
Penelope Whitworth I'm not interested in "homework," Grapes O Thoth, but if you'd like to answer my question, I'd like that.
Grapes O Thoth That IS my answer
Richard King Charles Fort used to say: "We are somebody's property." This is great stuff indeed!!! Where do I sign?
Grapes O Thoth Where do you sign? Glad you asked: http://tinyurl.com/jom335p
Grapes O Thoth But only after you read: http://grapesofthoth.blogspot.com.au/.../normal-0-false...
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